Joachim GREEFF, b6^{[1, 2, 3]}

Abt 1695 - 1706  (~ 11 years)

• Name	Joachim GREEFF  [4]
  Suffix	b6
  Born	Abt 1695	Stellenbosch, Cape, South Africa
  Christened	14 Apr 1696	'Nooitgedacht'   [4]
  Gender	Male
  Died	22 Jan 1706
  Person ID	I22732	Greeff e-SAGI Lucas Rinken
  Last Modified	17 Jun 2008

  
  

  Father	Matthias GREEFF, a1,   b. Abt 1662, Maagdenburg, Germany ,   d. 1712, 'Nooitgedacht', District Stellenbosch, Cape, South Africa  (Age ~ 50 years)
  Mother	Susanna CLAASEN V.D.K,   b. Abt 1666, Cape, South Africa ,   d. Cape, South Africa
  Married	12 Nov 1684	Cape Town, Cape, South Africa   [5, 6]
  Notes	Married: Alt Marriage: Matthias GREEFF, a1 Date: 12 Nov 1684 Location: Stellenbosch, Cape, South Africa
  Family ID	F8522	Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

  
  

• Notes

  About jumping to confusions:----- Original Message -----From: "Delia Robertson" >To: >Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2006 5:58 AMSubject: Re: [ZA] The kid who drowned, died, then married - Twice!> Francois,> > Francois Greeff wrote:>> My records show that Jochem Greeff not only died by drowning in 1706 >> and then married Johanna de Vries on 17 May 1716, but also had one >> child by her. Then, on 28 April 1720, he married Anna Elizabeth Graaff >> (van Holland) and had one child by her too.> ---notes in the square brackets are mine---> > J. Hoge, Personalia of the Germans at the Cape, 1652-1806: Greeff, > Joachim (S Kreff). - "Grootmunder" (Grosz Munzel ?). So[ldier] 1710, > saddler 1711-15. ~[x] (1) 15.6.1716 Johanna de Vries, wid. Pieter > Christiaan de Jager (in the Baptismal Reg., however, the mother of > Greef's children is called Adriaantje Willensz); (2) 28.4.1720 Anna > Elizabeth de Graaff, d. of Dirk Janse de Graaff and Elisabeth Markse, > bapt. 4.2.1703. 3 children. (GMR 1710-15; G.R. nr. 143.) [GMR - > Generale Monsterrollen; G.R. C.D. de Villiers, Geslacht-Register der > oude Kaapshe Familiën]> > J.A. Heese & R.T.J. Lombard, S.A. Genealogies, Vol. 2: Joachim Kreff > a[rriveer] 1710 from Gross Munzel as soldaat. 1711-1715 saalmaker x > 17.5.1716 Johanna de Vries wed[duwee] v[an] Pieter Christiaan de Jager > (die moeder van Greeff se kinders word ook aangegee as Adriaantje > Willems) (sien Personalia pp. 118 & 119) xx Anna Elizabeth de Graaff > d.v. Dirk Janse de Graaff en Elizabeth Markse v.d. Kaap.> > b1 Johannes [b.] 12.9.1717> b2 Nicolaas [b.] 25.6.1719> b3 Elizabeth [b.] 29.6.1721> > Caveat emptor (but hope it helps, anyway).> Delia RobertsonIt would, thus, seem that Johannes, Nicolaas and Elizabeth were little Kreff kids - nothing to do with Matthijs and Jochem.

  
  

• Sources

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