Joachim GREEFF, a1b6^{[1, 2, 3, 4, 5]}

Abt 1695 - 1706  (~ 11 years)

• Name	Joachim GREEFF  [4]
  Suffix	a1b6
  Born	Abt 1695	Stellenbosch, Cape, South Africa
  Christened	14 Apr 1696	'Nooitgedacht'   [4]
  Gender	Male
  Died	22 Jan 1706
  Person ID	I22732	PedigreeFAGreeffEsagi
  Last Modified	10 Jan 2009

  
  

  Father	Matthias GREEFF, a1,   b. Abt 1662, Maagdenburg, Germany ,   d. 1712, 'Nooitgedacht', District Stellenbosch, Cape, South Africa  (Age ~ 50 years)
  Mother	Susanna CLAASEN V.D.K,   b. Abt 1666, Cape, South Africa ,   d. Cape, South Africa
  Married	12 Nov 1684	Cape Town, Cape, South Africa   [6, 7, 8]
  Notes	Married: Alt Marriage: Matthias GREEFF, a1 Date: 12 Nov 1684 Location: Stellenbosch, Cape, South Africa
  Family ID	F8522	Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

  
  

• Notes

  About jumping to confusions: ----- Original Message -----From: "Delia Robertson" >To: > Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2006 5:58 AMSubject: Re: [ZA] The kid who drowned, died, then married - Twice!Francois, Francois Greeff wrote:My records show that Jochem Greeff not only died by drowning in 1706 and then married Johanna de Vries on 17 May 1716, but also had one child by her. Then, on 28 April 1720, he married Anna Elizabeth Graaff (van Holland) and had one child by her too.---notes in the square brackets are mine--- J. Hoge, Personalia of the Germans at the Cape, 1652-1806: Greeff, Joachim (S Kreff). - "Grootmunder" (Grosz Munzel ?). So[ldier] 1710, saddler 1711-15. ~[x] (1) 15.6.1716 Johanna de Vries, wid. Pieter Christiaan de Jager (in the Baptismal Reg., however, the mother of Greef's children is called Adriaantje Willensz); (2) 28.4.1720 Anna Elizabeth de Graaff, d. of Dirk Janse de Graaff and Elisabeth Markse, bapt. 4.2.1703. 3 children. (GMR 1710-15; G.R. nr. 143.) [GMR - Generale Monsterrollen; G.R. C.D. de Villiers, Geslacht-Register der oude Kaapshe Familiën] J.A. Heese & R.T.J. Lombard, S.A. Genealogies, Vol. 2: Joachim Kreff a[rriveer] 1710 from Gross Munzel as soldaat. 1711-1715 saalmaker x 17.5.1716 Johanna de Vries wed[duwee] v[an] Pieter Christiaan de Jager (die moeder van Greeff se kinders word ook aangegee as Adriaantje Willems) (sien Personalia pp. 118 & 119) xx Anna Elizabeth de Graaff d.v. Dirk Janse de Graaff en Elizabeth Markse v.d. Kaap.  b1 Johannes [b.] 12.9.1717 b2 Nicolaas [b.] 25.6.1719 b3 Elizabeth [b.] 29.6.1721  Caveat emptor (but hope it helps, anyway). Delia Robertson It would, thus, seem that Johannes, Nicolaas and Elizabeth were little Kreff kids - nothing to do with Matthijs and Jochem.

  
  

• Sources

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